View from the CEO: Priorities for the CRE Industry in 2025

With control over the White House and both chambers of Congress decided, attention has turned to how President-elect Donald Trump’s second term will affect the commercial real estate industry.

Looking Ahead

  • As Roundtable President & CEO Jeff DeBoer noted to BisNow last week, the new administration represents a chance to strengthen policymakers’ understanding of the critical role CRE plays in the economy. (BisNow, Nov. 12)
  • Anytime that there’s a turning of the page, there’s an opportunity to emphasize new issues, or to bring priority to older issues that maybe have been pushed out by previous leaders,” DeBoer told BisNow. DeBoer also highlighted key policy priorities for commercial real estate to move forward in the coming administration, including housing, tax, capital markets, and energy.

Housing Policy

  • Interagency task force: The Roundtable is calling for a federal task force focused on expanding the housing supply, particularly affordable housing. This task force would coordinate efforts across agencies to streamline building processes and reduce regulatory barriers, incentivizing new development across the U.S.
  • Property conversions: The administration should support federal incentives for (such as low interest loans) converting obsolete office buildings into residential housing. Modeled after tax credits for historic preservation, bipartisan legislation like the Revitalizing Downtowns and Main Streets Act could help relieve the national housing shortage. (Roundtable Weekly, July 12)
  • Tariff concerns: Proposed tariffs on materials like lumber, steel, concrete, glass and appliances could impact housing supply: “By putting tariffs on housing materials, you will be indirectly increasing costs for buyers and renters and making it more difficult to solve this housing crisis,” said DeBoer.

Tax Policy

  • With key provisions of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 (TCJA) expiring soon, tax legislation will likely be central to President-elect Trump’s first 100 days.
  • Capital gains: Long-standing elements of the tax code, including the reduced rate for capital gains, the ability to reinvest through like-kind exchanges, and step-up in basis of assets at death, are critical for real estate businesses and encourage productive investment and economic growth. RER will continue to advocate that these provisions be maintained.
  • Section 199A: The qualified business income deduction for pass-through businesses, known as Section 199A, ensures that small businesses can compete on a level playing field with public corporations. RER supports extending the deduction, which is currently set to expire.
  • Foreign investment: Restrictions on foreign investment discourage capital formation and could hinder growth in real estate at a time when increasing the supply and availability of capital is critical to the industry’s recovery. Policymakers should avoid imposing additional restrictions or tax burdens on foreign investors, and consider repealing or reforming the Foreign Investment in Real Property Tax Act (FIRPTA).

Capital Markets

  • Strengthening capital flows in real estate is a top priority, as lending and credit availability have remained relatively weak since the pandemic and are only recently starting to see improvement.
  • Interest rates: Policymakers should carefully consider the inflationary effects of fiscal policies to maintain a favorable interest rate environment. Avoiding increased capital requirements, such as Basel III Endgame proposal, is also necessary to prevent hindering growth.

Energy Policy

  • With the rise of data centers, AI and other energy-intensive sectors, addressing energy capacity and permitting is a critical bipartisan need and “very important” to RER’s agenda, as DeBoer noted.

RER is committed to working proactively and productively with President-elect Trump and the 119th Congress to support the needs of the economy and commercial real estate industry.

Post Election, CRE Shows Signs of Recovery Heading into 2025

The commercial real estate sector is at a critical inflection point, with numerous positive indicators signaling substantial progress on recovery and growth since the pandemic’s initial disruption to the industry.

Key factors driving the change are easing interest rates, continued return-to-office momentum, property conversions and rising office demand from tech and AI sectors, though some challenges remain.

Driving Factors in CRE’s Recovery

  • Interest rates have continued to ease, with the Federal Reserve cutting rates by another 0.25 percentage points last week. While inflation has shown some lingering signs of persistence, Fed Chair Jerome Powell indicated that interest rates are likely to continue to come down slowly and deliberately in the coming months. (Roundtable Weekly, Nov. 8, AP, Nov. 14)
  • CRE lending has also improved, with buyers and owners taking advantage of lower interest rates. Total commercial and multifamily originations increased by 59% year-over-year across many property types including healthcare, retail, multifamily and industrial, though office lending remains relatively stagnant. (GlobeSt, Nov. 12) (Bisnow, Nov. 11)
  • Office leasing has seen an uptick, with several major brokers, including JLL and CBRE, reporting significant increases in office leasing revenue. Larger lease sizes and a rising return-to-office trend have been key contributors, with the average number of in-office days required per week by employers up 50% compared to last year​. (CoStar, Nov. 11)
  • Regional office visit data indicates that October 2024 was the busiest in-office month since the pandemic for major hubs like Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Denver, Washington, D.C., Chicago, and San Francisco. (GlobeSt., Nov. 15)
  • Office leasing has been further buoyed by growing demand from tech and AI companies. Tech firms leased 9.9 million square feet of U.S. office space during the third quarter, the highest level in nearly three years—supporting activity in high-value office locations such as San Francisco, Seattle, and New York. (WSJ, Nov. 12)

Property Conversions

  • Property conversions have been a bright spot in 2024, with 73 projects already completed this year and another 30 scheduled to be completed by year-end.
  • The vast majority are office-to-residential conversions—71 million sq. ft., or 1.7%, of U.S. office inventory was planned for or already undergoing conversion, helping to increase the supply of housing, boost downtown vibrancy and ease office vacancy rates. (CBRE, Nov. 11)

What’s Next: RER’s Real Estate Capital Policy Advisory Committee (RECPAC) will be meeting in person next week on November 19, 2024 in New York to discuss the economic outlook, capital and debt markets and much more.

The Roundtable Shares 2025 Tax Legislative Agenda with Lawmakers

Responding to a request for input from the chairs of the House Ways and Means Committee and Ways and Means Tax Policy Subcommittee, The Real Estate Roundtable submitted comments on the pending expiration of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 and ways in which tax policy can support long-term investment, economic stability, and the creation of affordable housing. (Letter, Oct. 2)

Roundtable Recommendations

The letter from Roundtable President and CEO Jeffrey DeBoer urges lawmakers to ensure that any major tax legislation in 2025 retain or include:

  • The reduced tax rate on long-term capital gains. The capital gains rate is critical for driving long-term real estate investment and fostering job creation. Raising capital gains rates, taxing unrealized gains, or double-taxing gains at death would deter entrepreneurship, increase costs, and reduce economic mobility.
  • Tax fairness for partnerships and pass-through entities. Half of the nation’s tax partnerships are real estate-related, making these provisions vital to the industry’s success.  Section 199A, which provides a 20% deduction on pass-through business income (including REIT dividend income), allows privately held businesses to compete on a level playing field with large corporations.
  • Like-kind exchanges. Section 1031 allows for the deferral of capital gains through real estate exchanges and helps gets languishing properties into the hands of new owners who will invest in, and improve, them.  Retaining section 1031 is vital to promoting reinvestment in communities, creating opportunities for minority and small business owners, and improving struggling properties.
  • Tax rules that encourage, rather than deter, foreign investment in U.S. real estate. Targeted changes to the outdated and discriminatory Foreign Investment in Real Property Tax Act (FIRPTA) could unlock capital for large-scale real estate and infrastructure projects that create jobs and spur economic development.
  • Incentives for affordable housing, energy efficiency, and community revitalization. The Roundtable supports expanding the low-income housing tax credit (LIHTC), improving the real estate-related clean energy tax provisions in the Inflation Reduction Act, and introducing new incentives for the conversion of obsolete commercial buildings into affordable housing. The letter also calls for a long-term extension of Opportunity Zone (OZ) tax incentives and preserving carried interest tax rules that recognize and reward sweat equity with capital gains treatment.

The Roundtable is committed to working with lawmakers to ensure the U.S. maintains a competitive tax code that encourages capital formation, rewards entrepreneurial risk-taking, and supports critical policy objectives, including accessible and affordable housing and safe and healthy communities.

The Push for Office-to-Residential Conversions

Cities across the U.S. are increasingly embracing office-to-residential conversions as part of the solution to address persistent housing shortages and high office vacancy rates driven by remote work policies. Many local governments in key metro areas have accelerated incentive programs and made major progress, bringing thousands of new homes into the development pipeline with more to come.

Challenges and Incentives

  • Property conversions can be a cost-effective means to re-purpose certain CRE assets to provide new, affordable housing supply, revive struggling city centers and small businesses, restore local revenue sources, and reduce energy consumption. While costs can vary depending on the building and other project factors, at least one recent property conversion is estimated to cost 40% less than a wholly new apartment building. (Morning Brew, Sept. 24)
  • Office-to-residential conversions present a path to revitalizing downtown areas, but regulatory and financial hurdles must be addressed to unlock their full potential. (ULI, Sept. 27)
  • Various cities are actively pursuing policies to incentivize these conversions through zoning changes and tax incentives:
  • New York City proposed a $400 million initiative to support the conversion of older office buildings into residential units. The “City of Yes for Housing Opportunity” plan aims to create 500,000 new homes over the next decade by legalizing zoning conversions for buildings constructed before 1990 in areas where residential use is allowed, and expands the types of housing commercial buildings can be converted into.
  • Washington, D.C. has implemented the Housing in Downtown program, designed to catalyze new residential development through a 20-year tax abatement for commercial-to-residential conversions, with expectations to deliver 6.7 million square feet of residential use. (BisNow, Sept. 19)
  • Minneapolis took steps last week to simplify its office-to-residential conversion process by passing an ordinance that streamlines the review process, reduces project timelines, and pauses certain affordability requirements for five years. (CBS, Sept. 24)
  • San Francisco has seen limited success despite efforts to incentivize conversions. Only two projects totaling 165 units are underway, prompting Mayor London Breed and Supervisor Matt Dorsey to propose eliminating impact fees and affordable housing requirements for downtown conversions in key areas. (GlobeSt., Oct. 1)
  • California faced a setback this week when Governor Gavin Newsom vetoed a bill aimed at expediting the conversion of vacant office buildings into residential or mixed-use spaces. The legislation would have mandated by-right approval for adaptive reuse projects, streamlining the review process by bypassing environmental reviews and local zoning approvals. (GlobeSt., Oct. 1)
  • This week on the Walker Webcast, Dr. Peter Linneman (Leading Economist, Professor Emeritus, The Wharton School of Business) predicted there will be a push for back-to-office policies after the November elections, regardless who gains control of the White House. (Walker Webcast, Oct. 2)

Climate Risks and Opportunities

Workers on sustainable energy project on rooftop of building
  • Office-to-residential conversions are recognized universally as having positive climate impacts because they reduce “embodied” emissions in concrete, glass, and other construction materials relative to new projects built from the ground up. (Arup, Dec. 2023; Urban Green, Dec. 2023; NAIOP (April 2023)).
  • Expanding the use of clean energy tax credits, as proposed in the IRA, could further incentivize conversion projects, helping to reduce long-term operating costs and improve building resilience.
  • With tax policy debates at the forefront in Washington, The Roundtable submitted recommendations to Congressional tax leaders this week (see Tax story above), urging enhancements to the Inflation Reduction Act’s clean energy tax provisions in any future legislation. (Letter, Oct. 2)
  • The recommendations included expanding energy-efficient tax credits to cover low-emissions building equipment and allowing developers to transfer the 45L and 179D credits, which would help reduce housing costs and boost energy efficiency.
  • The Roundtable has also encouraged federal agencies to make key improvements to their existing low-interest loan programs to better support property conversions that support high-density, transit-oriented housing. (Roundtable Weekly, April 19)
  • A recent Morningstar report highlighted the growing importance of ESG considerations in real estate investment, with 67% of global asset owners acknowledging that ESG factors have become more material over the past five years. (CREFC, Oct. 1)

The Roundtable will continue to advocate for support at the federal level, such as the bipartisan Revitalizing Downtowns and Main Streets Act (H.R.9002) introduced in July, to create market-based tax incentives for office-to-residential conversions. These projects offer a promising but complex solution to both the commercial real estate market’s transformation and the housing shortage. With proper support, they could reshape and rebuild cities across the country.

Property Conversions Legislation Introduced

On Thursday, House Ways and Means Committee Members Mike Carey (R-OH) and Jimmy Gomez (D-CA) introduced the bipartisan Revitalizing Downtowns and Main Streets Act (H.R.9002), which would create a market-based tax incentive for converting older commercial buildings to residential use.

Revitalizing Downtowns and Main Streets Act

  • The bill is a positive step forward in the effort to modernize U.S. real estatecreate new and affordable housing, and strengthen cities and neighborhoods that continue to suffer from the aftereffects of the pandemic and changing business needs. 
  • “Between high housing costs and the rise of remote work, formerly prosperous neighborhoods across the country are struggling,” said Rep. Carey (R-OH). “The solution is right in front of us. But even though vacant commercial and office space is sitting unused, converting these properties into housing is so expensive it is often uneconomical. This bill will allow communities to meet their residents’ need for affordable, abundant housing and allow American downtowns and main streets to thrive.” (Rep. Carey Press Release)
  • The bill would create a new and temporary 20% tax credit for qualified property conversion expenditures, modeled after the historic rehabilitation credit. (RER’S One-Page Summary)
  • The total credit authority would be limited to $15 billion, allocated by state housing finance agencies based on feasibility and impact.
  • Larger credits would be available for projects in rural areas, low-income census tracts, and economically distressed areas.
  • The credit could be stacked with other federal tax benefits, including LIHTC, the rehabilitation credit, and Opportunity Zone benefits. 

Roundtable Advocacy

  • The Real Estate Roundtable has supported similar versions of conversion legislation, such as the Revitalizing Downtowns Act (S. 2511H.R. 4759), introduced by Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) and Rep. Jimmy Gomez (D-CA). The Roundtable has also worked closely with the White House on administrative actions designed to provide low-cost financing for conversion projects. (Roundtable Weekly, April 19)
  • “The Revitalizing Downtowns and Main Streets Act is a proactive, market-based policy measure that aims to breathe new life into underutilized commercial properties, create jobs, generate local property tax revenue, and help reinvigorate our nation’s cities and suburbs,” said Jeffrey D. DeBoer, President and CEO of The Real Estate Roundtable. “We commend the leadership of the bill sponsors for their vision and urge support for this critical bipartisan legislation.”
  • The bill addresses and incorporates most of the recommendations a Roundtable-led coalition had collectively made to the Revitalizing Downtowns Act in comment letters submitted in October 2022 and June 2024.  
  • Since then, many states and localities have taken bold action to support property conversion efforts.
  • Both letters are the product of a property conversions working group created by The Roundtable’s Tax Policy Advisory Committee (TPAC). The working group has reviewed and considered the challenges and impediments confronting potential property conversion activities. (Roundtable Weekly, June 28)

The Roundtable’s Tax Policy Advisory Committee will continue working with policymakers to advance tax policies that encourage and facilitate property conversion efforts.

Real Estate Coalition Urges House Members to Support Bipartisan CRE Conversions Bill

A Roundtable-led coalition of 17 national real estate organizations wrote to members of the House of Representatives voicing their support for the introduction of the Revitalizing Downtowns and Main Streets Act, which would create a market-based tax incentive for converting older commercial buildings to residential use.  (Coalition letter)

 Revitalizing Downtowns and Main Streets Act

  • The House Ways and Means Committee Members Mike Carey (R-OH) and Jimmy Gomez (D-CA) will introduce the Revitalizing Downtowns and Main Streets Act in the coming weeks.
  • If enacted, the bill would be a step forward in the effort to modernize U.S. real estate, create new and affordable housing, and strengthen cities and neighborhoods that continue to suffer from the aftereffects of the pandemic and changing business needs. 
  • Currently, only 2% of vacant offices are undergoing the conversion process (CBRE). However, 15% of office buildings are suitable for residential conversion. (White House, Oct. 2023)
  • The bill would create a new and temporary 20% tax credit for qualified property conversion expenditures, modeled after the historic rehabilitation credit.
  • The total credit authority would be limited to $15 billion, allocated by state housing finance agencies based on feasibility and impact.
  • Larger credits would be available for projects in rural areas, low-income census tracts, and economically distressed areas.

Roundtable Advocacy

The Roundtable’s Tax Policy Advisory Committee Meeting
  • The Real Estate Roundtable has supported similar versions of conversion legislation, such as the Revitalizing Downtowns Act (S. 2511H.R. 4759), introduced by Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) and Rep. Jimmy Gomez (D-CA) to encourage the conversion of older buildings into new uses.
  • The new bill addresses and incorporates most of the recommendations the coalition made collectively to the Revitalizing Downtowns Act in the October 2022 letter.  (June 2024 letter  | October 2022 letter)
  • Since then, many states and localities have taken bold action to support property conversion efforts.
  • Both letters are the product of a property conversions working group created by The Roundtable’s Tax Policy Advisory Committee (TPAC). The working group has reviewed and considered the challenges and impediments confronting potential property conversion activities. 

The Roundtable’s Tax Policy Advisory Committee will continue to respond to legislative proposals affecting potential property conversion activities.

Revitalizing Post-Pandemic Cities Through Building Conversions

Recent reports show property conversions are on the rise as commercial real estate and cities continue to undergo significant transformations to adapt to new post-pandemic realities. (Multihousing News, May 20 | (CBRE Report, May 29)

Construction skyline

Report Data

  • Adaptive reuse projects are on the rise, with 17.6% more apartments converted from outdated buildings in 2023 than the prior year, according to a recent RentCafe report.
  • There are currently 151,000 units underway in various stages of conversion projects across the U.S., of which 58,000 are to be redeveloped from office properties. (CRE Daily, May 30)
  • Adaptive reuse projects from former hotels are at an all-time high in the U.S., with a 38.8% increase since the previous year and almost double the volume of 2021. (RentCafe report).
  • CBRE’s “Shaping Tomorrow’s Cities” report identified six key factors that can help cities rebuild and thrive: economic dynamism, demographic potential, lifestyle vibrancy, distinctive identity, responsive governance, and resilient infrastructure.

Rebuilding Strategies

  • Converting underutilized buildings to residential use can be a cost-effective means of developing new housing, creating jobs, and generating critical sources of local property tax revenue while saving energy and reinvigorating communities.
  • However, conversions can be costly, and local governments and developers must work together to bridge the gap and aid in rebuilding cities and communities.
  • For example, Chicago is providing $150 million in public subsidies to property developers to convert four buildings in the business district to more than 1,000 apartments, with the assurance that one-third are set aside as affordable units. (WSJ, May 28)
  • In New York City, Mayor Adams created the Office Conversion Accelerator Program, which brings city agencies together to work collaboratively with developers and aims to streamline converting offices into housing. (CRE Daily, May 30)
  • “Public and private stakeholders have an integral role to play in shaping American cities. By having an all-hands-on-deck approach, the collective impact of experiences and rich data will drive insights and strategies to transform our cities,” the report said. (CBRE Report, May 29)

Roundtable Recommendations

  • The Roundtable has urged policymakers to create a robust tax incentive to help overcome the significant financial, architectural, and engineering hurdles associated with repurposing older commercial buildings as housing.
  • The incentive should complement actions taken by state and local governments to encourage property conversions.
  • The Roundtable is working with the House and Senate sponsors of the Revitalizing Downtowns Act (H.R.419) to update and improve the bill, which would create a 20-30 percent tax credit for qualifying conversion costs.
  • The credit is based on the highly successful historic rehabilitation tax credit and would apply to buildings that set aside 20 percent of their housing units for low- and moderate-income tenants.
  • In April, The Roundtable recommended a series of actions to the Biden administration to support commercial-to-residential property conversions, including leveraging various federal loan programs and tax incentives to provide financial support for CRE conversions. (Roundtable Weekly, April 19)

Property conversions and the Revitalizing Downtowns Act (H.R.419) will be discussed at The Roundtable’s Annual Meeting on June 20-21 in Washington, DC.

Roundtable’s William C. Rudin Discusses Public Policies to Strengthen CRE and the Economy

Real Estate Roundtable Chairman Emeritus (2015-2018) William C. Rudin (Co-Executive Chairman, Rudin)

Real Estate Roundtable Chairman Emeritus (2015-2018) William C. Rudin (Co-Executive Chairman, Rudin) discussed commercial real estate conditions on CNBC’s Squawk Box this morning, emphasizing how public policies could help the industry meet significant challenges as it faces a wave of looming maturities in a high-interest rate environment.

Federal Action Needed

  • Rudin noted that unless a property owner has a top-tier asset with a stable long-term lease, liquidity is a major issue. “The federal government and the Federal Reserve have to keep giving the banks flexibility to be able to restructure some of the loans.” (Watch Rudin’s comments)
  • Rudin added, “The federal government should support legislation to help incentivize owners to convert obsolete office buildings to residential—and the federal government should be getting their employees back into the office space.” (Entire Rudin interview)
  • Rudin referenced recent testimony by Roundtable President and CEO Jeffrey DeBoer that addressed these issues during a House subcommitteeon the “Health of the Commercial Real Estate Markets and Removing Regulatory Hurdles to Ensure Continued Strength.” (Roundtable Weekly, May 3 and video of DeBoer’s testimony)

Roundtable Recommendations

Roundtable President and CEO Jeffrey DeBoer
  • The Roundtable’s testimony last week addressed a wide swath of concerns for owners, lenders, and local communities. DeBoer discussed specific issues with House policymakers, including market liquidity, the state of the office sector, remote work, affordable housing, and property conversions. (DeBoer’s oral statement and written testimony)
  • DeBoer also emphasized the need for lawmakers to stimulate the production of affordable housing by converting obsolete buildings into housing, increasing the Low Income Housing Tax Credit volume caps, incentivizing local zoning and permitting reforms, increasing efficiency in the Section 8 housing voucher program, and more. (Roundtable Weekly, May 3)
  • Separately, The Roundtable and a broad real estate coalition submitted a set of specific policy recommendations last week to Congress detailing a host of pending legislative and regulatory actions that would help provide housing to more Americans. (Roundtable Weekly, May 3)

The Roundtable’s all-member Annual Meeting on June 20-21 in Washington, DC will include speakers and policy advisor committee meetings focused on many of these topics.

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Roundtable Recommends Agency Actions to Accelerate Property Conversions

Jared Bernstein, chair of the White House Council of Economic Advisors, right, and Roundtable President and CEO Jeffrey DeBoer

The Real Estate Roundtable urged the Biden administration to take a series of actions to support commercial-to-residential property conversions in an April 15 letter to Jared Bernstein, chair of the White House Council of Economic Advisors. (see Meeting story above)

Improving Agency Resources

  • The Roundtable’s letter aims to harness various federal loan programs and tax incentives to provide financial support for CRE conversions.
  • These programs, enhanced by President Biden’s Bipartisan Infrastructure Law and Inflation Reduction Act, can ideally be tailored to accelerate projects that transform underutilized assets into housing
  • RER’s letter states, “The Federal Guidebook’s featured programs have not lived up to their promise—yet.” The Roundtable’s suggestions to improve these U.S. agency resources support goals to increase housing supply, revitalize urban downtowns, and cut carbon emissions.

Roundtable Recommendations

Real Estate Roundtable letter on property conversions April 15, 2024
  • The April 15 letter urges agency actions to streamline environmental reviews, hasten the federal loan underwriting process, and layer various agency loan platforms to help finance housing conversions.
  • The letter recommends specific improvements to the Department of Transportation’s loan programs for transit-oriented development, which can also resonate for resources offered by HUD, DOE and EPA.
  • The Roundtable letter also details changes to the tax code and exisiting incentives that can increase energy efficiency and renewable energy investments in commercial-to-residential building conversions.

The Roundtable will continue to coordinate with White House staff and encourage modifications to federal regulations and laws that can improve CRE conversion projects.

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White House Recommends Policies to Increase Affordable Housing

2024 Economic Report of the President & Council of Economic Advisers

The White House Council of Economic Advisers released a report yesterday on policies to boost the supply of affordable rental and ownership units—proposals that could form the foundation of a housing push during a second Biden term. (2024 Economic Report of the President and New York Times, March 21)

Zoning Reform, LIHTC

  • The report explains that the federal government could reduce exclusionary zoning via grants and other spending, and directly subsidize affordable unit construction through programs like the low-income housing tax credit (LIHTC). The report adds, “Ultimately, meaningful change will require State and local governments to reevaluate the land-use regulations that reduce the housing supply.”

Addressing Equity

  • The Council’s report addresses how increasing the housing supply could increase access and equity for groups with few financial resources, increase overall wealth, and reduce disparities across groups. (Page 163 of the Annual Report of the Council of Economic Advisers)
  • The report notes that exclusionary zoning policies, such as prohibitions on multifamily homes, are a “subset of local land-use regulations that can constrain the housing supply and thus decrease affordability.”

This week, President Biden also spoke in Las Vegas about his plans to “establish an innovative program to help communities build and renovate housing or convert housing from empty office spaces into housing, empty hotels into housing.” (White House remarks, March 19 and Roundtable Weekly, March 15)

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